Dan Crenshaw at The Mansion with CXRE Asset Director Rick Walker

Dan Crenshaw at The Mansion with CXRE Asset Director Rick Walker

Dan Crenshaw – Conversations at The Mansion with Rick Walker US Navy SEAL and United States Congressman Dan Crenshaw joins Rick Walker for Conversations at The Mansion’s first episode. Conversations include Donald Trump’s next move, the SEAL’s weapon of choice, Nancy Pelosi, his involvement with George Soros & red flag laws and a little theology. About the show: Conversations at The Mansion is a new guest-driven video podcast bringing together the most interesting thought-leaders who provide viewers with unique perspectives at the intersection of media, business, politics, responsibility and work, in a casual, fun and free-flowing conversation at The Mansion.

 

 

 

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People who like get up in their medieval swords and they do live action role playing like some of the Elves some of the trolls Well, I’m sure he didn’t mean it. He was playing a 15,000 D chest. Yeah, whatever. I don’t see any conflict between science and religion. I just I’ve yet to see any conflict. Yeah, the only difference is science to smaller contain religion. Religion is big and contains science, mathematics, humanities and all history. But I’ve certainly

 

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I guess in a sense ordered the deaths of many. I’m Rick Walker, I’m sitting down with some of my most captivating friends to discuss topics ranging from politics and business to religion and pop culture.

 

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Welcome to conversations at the mansion.

 

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Dan Crenshaw, thanks, thanks for coming to the mansion. How’s everything going? It’s going well, thanks for having me. Yeah, good to see you, too. Yeah. So let’s kick off with the politics. Let’s go straight into it. What’s it like being in the minority in such a divisive DC right now? Well, I have nothing to compare it to. So to me, it’s normal.

 

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You know, I didn’t go up to DC with some sort of idealistic notion that I’m going to, like, solve some big problems right away. And it’s just, it’s gonna be this. This just, I don’t know, I think people have a kind of utopian vision of what it is to go to Congress. And people don’t realize it by design, it is meant for gridlock. And we should often be grateful for that, because there’s a lot of people out there that have a lot of incentives to take a lot of drastic action very quickly, that that may not be all that well thought out. You know, these are complex issues we’re dealing with some might argue that Congress is dealing with too much and has been for a very, very long time.

 

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And we don’t necessarily have the staff to do it. There’s this new interesting deeper conversation about the nature of Congress, but so is it divisive? Yes. Is that any different than it’s been in the past? Maybe? I don’t really know. I’m sure it’s really nice being the majority I think we’ve got a really good shot of taking the majority I mean, we only need four seats are well they have a four foot margin so you can almost take back the majority in Texas alone. Yes. You know, with two more seats or three more seats you think in Texas everybody says three Okay, you know, I don’t I don’t know how that’s gonna look but um, you know, at least at least maybe two out of three of those seats could be Republican. We might even flip a couple B’s South Texas districts are getting real problematic for the Democrats. Sure. You got Henry Clay are out there. sounding like a republic he he is a co sponsor with me on a gun bill.

 

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I love Henry’s a truly bipartisan, a lot of democrats like claim there to be moderates. They’re just I’ve never seen a single moderate thing out of them. Sure. choirs different. Okay. Okay. So you talked about democrats may be going overboard in some of these things. One of the clips that went viral back in probably December was Nancy Pelosi. She put forward this this massive bill, the massive bill, you were calling for her to break these up into individual bills. So you could vote individually, because there may be some good things in those bills. And you had this Crenshaw torches Pelosi clip that went viral. And we all know it. Study after study shows outdoor dining is safe, that outbreaks are not occurring because of our small businesses, our gyms, our restaurants, our salons, and yet these small businesses are in the crosshairs of cowardly politicians across the country.

 

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This madness has to stop talking about kind of your for speech and, and and kind of your frustration with with those sorts of activities. Yeah, unforced speeches are a great way for us to to just get our thoughts out.

 

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on the House floor when people people should know this, I like to give some people some insights on what it’s really like being in Congress. What’s funny about moments like this is there’s nobody there.

 

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We do these speeches all day long to no one but obviously, we know it’s on c span, and then we can clip it and use it is Nancy even there? The speaker over there?

 

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No, probably not. Okay. Sometimes you might be there’s moments where some of these speeches you have a lot more people there, but that’s actually somewhat rare that you know that you basically sign up for time to do a five minute that’s so that’s, I just think that’s a funny thing to tell people.

 

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And I was expressing my frustration that

 

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look, I get how often times you end up just packing a bunch of your your stuff into a bill. It’s a lot of people say oh, just just vote on each issue separately. That’s not really realistic. It would be impossible to schedule that. Sure. I think because you have to have two hours of debate per bill. You know, you have to get us to go through

 

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There’s the the process itself. And you don’t really want to mess with that process too much, because then it wouldn’t be very democratic. And it wouldn’t be very fair. So a lot of people think, well, just if you guys agree on 5% just pass that. Yes, that’s true. But that does have to still need to be need need to be negotiated outside of it. So just just for some perspective, but on COVID relief, where, you know, you really do need to put politics aside, and there’s really obvious things that we agree on. It just just put it on the floor. Sure. It’s just put it on the floor, and she never just just wouldn’t wasn’t getting political backlash for that. And I think people sense that. That’s probably why that particular clip did so well. Cool. So I want to have a little bit of fun with Yeah, a little little simulated cog Crenshaw conspiracies. So, you know, I will forever be linked to you some some way. Because every time you do something that people don’t like, I get a text message. And I appreciate that, you know, you’ll yell at me. Yeah, you know, and you know, I’m your friend, cuz I don’t for those text messages. overnight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we’ve got to dispel a few things here. Okay. First thing is the COVID lockdowns In your opinion, scientific, unscientific. Other, what are your thoughts on those? unscientific? Okay, not based on data?

 

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I don’t know. I don’t know. Is that my conspiracy? Is that somebody else? I don’t know. What are

 

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you on a conspiracy? Yeah, I don’t know.

 

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Yeah, I mean, I don’t I, I’ve been very consistent against lockdowns since the beginning, even when it was a little riskier to be against lock downs.

 

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And I’ve just been I’ve been proven right over time, because like my sense in the beginning was you you can’t control this to the extent that you think you can, sure it’s a pandemic. And nature does what nature does.

 

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It’s not obvious to me that closing businesses, which are well regulated, you can kind of manage inflows and outflows to an extent is somehow stopping people from interacting with one another. And we were just and now in hindsight, I’ve clearly proven right there’s study after study, one of the most recent from Stanford

 

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shows there’s no correlation between shelter in place orders lockdowns of businesses and the spread of the pandemic. And country to country comparisons show that state to state comparisons show that so a lot of costs, no benefits. Sure, it’s generally a bad Prop, probably the biggest cost, I would say, with that get the kiddos that are in school, now they’re putting out a six month competitive disadvantage to the rest of the world. So they’ve got to catch up somehow, six months is a lot, a lot of time to make up. That’s even that one’s even more unscientific. You know, you can argue about keeping vulnerable adults locked down in their houses. You really can’t argue about the kids under 20 years old, I believe you have a higher chance of dying from the flu than you do. COVID. So this, but there was no fly this year. Right? There’s zero flu that day. It was interesting. And so we know that there needs to be an honest assessment of our of our activity of our of our policies. Over the last couple years for the world. I mean, like the US even in some of the most lockdown areas in the US, it’s still a lot more open than a lot of places around the world.

 

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I know that sounds crazy. But like

 

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I a lot of international friends, you look at Europe, you look at a lot of South American countries, too. They love Israel, they locked down really, really hard, I mean, to crazy extent.

 

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And what they get for it, you know nothing? Sure, sure. Probably the next conspiracy that I hear the most. And this is I think, Palacio put up the most common image that I receive on my text message is this image of you link to Alexander Soros, which is apparently some relation to George Soros. And the texts always some derivative of dance funded by Soros. He’s a Manchurian Candidate type of figure. And so what’s what’s going on with it? I couldn’t, I couldn’t even find this image on their website. name on there. What is science? Good, good. I told him take it off. Because I was sick of getting the stupid message from people. We welcome.

 

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Oh, this,

 

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I want to just a deeper problem with our side on the conservative base. We’re paranoid as hell and he needs to stop. We need to be able to evaluate information in front of us better and critically think better. Okay, this is how q anon happens. This is how nine 911 conspiracies happen. All the did, there was no planes. It’s like, Yes, there was. Yes, there was. And it’s really concerning that every 911 anniversary, I can find 1000s and 1000s of likes and shares for 911 conspiracies. And it’s not liberals doing that. It’s people who tend to vote on the right if they vote at all.

 

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We need to admit that there’s a problem. So like this notion that like

 

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There’s some like secret cabal of globalist. And by the way, all the people saying global, like, you don’t even know how to define globalist, like, what does that even mean? Does it mean like you want some, like one government order in the world? And if that’s what it is, because that’s how you’re defining it, then how the hell do you think I’m the one proposing that? You know, just think just like, stop and think and, and be an adult? Like so. So I’m being very forceful here, right? And I will say this to anybody who accuses me of this, like the young girl. And so what is this actually, once you start looking through this thing?

 

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World Economic Forum.

 

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I’ve never really researched it that much. But it amounts to nothing. Right? It’s that they list together a bunch of people that are kind of influencers on the global stage, which Okay, great. There’s no meetings here. Like, I do talk this whole see a lot Chelsea’s a friend. It’s just pretty cool. Pretty cool. She is cool. We disagree on almost everything, but we agree on a lot of

 

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fundamentals. You know, just she’s a true liberal. There’s a lot of you have a lot in common with true liberals.

 

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We got Zuckerberg that’s interested. He’s gonna be in a hearing tomorrow morning. Really front of me. Yeah. So you guys are really close. Right? You and Mark, we’re going to talk big tech. Well, I’ve never spoken to or met him. But you’re supposed to be best friends with all these people. I am Yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah. Oh, and Megan rappin. Oh, geez, this is, you know, it’s, it’s so it’s so silly and annoying. It’s like, it’s Yeah, but I see this one on the internet a lot. And I’m just like, what, like, what do you think? What do you think is happening here as well as people who were like, who were like saying this and like, you know, think through it a little bit.

 

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It’s funny to like, I get a beat a lot of events, and somebody will come up to me, and they’ll be really nice and excited to meet me like, oh, man, I give you so much how online? And I’m like, why? Like, you’re obviously a fan. So like, Why are you saying toxic things online? Yeah, like, this is serious for me because it builds on itself. And as people who don’t have the ability, again, to evaluate information in front of them, they feed on this and it makes my job really, really difficult. And and like you know, excuse my language, but like, you’re an adult, why are you being a shit talker online? And just stop, just stop. And we we could do so much better with because we’re like, my number one goal is persuading moderates. Right. So for us, that’s, that’s how I define fighting. A lot of people define fighting as performing for the base. We have a lot of members of Congress who like to perform.

 

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I love the word fighting by the way. Yeah, I love the word fighting. And I know what it means really. And it means winning. And to win in politics. You got to you got to persuade people. And when we when we dive down into these little conspiracy wormholes, we seem crazy. And it’s really easy for the left to to to build these caricatures of conservatives

 

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and apply it broadly to everybody. And it’s, it’s, it’s toxic. It’s toxic, and it’s so damn silly. Like we’re always looking for somebody who betrayed us. It seems like it’s the number one thing I call them, right? You know, Rhino hunters, right? We get the rhino gun out and then go and I’m going to get them rhinos. Yeah, I’m like, shut up. Yeah, just stop. Don’t don’t just stop it. Yeah.

 

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So yeah, I’m pretty hard on these people.

 

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I make fun of them a lot. Because it’s ridiculous. It’s just, it’s ridiculous. And so I have a lot of a

 

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little more clear next time. Yeah, yeah. And I think we probably did 20 or 25 forums or debates together over a few month period. So I think everything I’ve heard from you, I’ve ever heard a lot from you in person. Like there’s no Rhino type of type of belief in your, on your body. Yeah. Our primary, by the way, was interesting. Like, we didn’t have anybody who was running in that in that section of the right. Nobody, like, you know,

 

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Justin Laurie once talked about like, like abolishing the department of education or something, you know, as he was a little bit out there. But frankly, it’s not the craziest idea.

 

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It’s just unrealistic. But you know, but but we didn’t have anybody who was running in that, like Marjorie Taylor green space. Yes. It was a it was an extremely reasonable primary, which is odd for for modern primaries. And it shouldn’t be I wish it was. So something about our district I guess. That’s right. That’s right. So the number two conspiracy that I get text message about, and these are these are like multi page text messages. Are your is your stance on red flag laws. You know, I’ll kind of roll this into the the Texas GOP is priority this year, and it’s their kind of their annual priority of constitutional carry. And so you know,

 

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Kind of give us a quick overview of your of your view on gun rights red flag laws and that sort of thing. You know, maybe they build on this on this bill with with with Quakers. Well, that probably ties into a little bit. Okay.

 

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I’m on the constitutional carry bill. I’m on it every year in the federal level.

 

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I believe in it. And I you know, it’s but I’m quasars because all answer these questions first and clay are bill, that one basically requires that if that that ATF has to go through, has to establish some kind of appeals process for their rules, because you’re only your only way to deal with the ATF for eight right now, when they when they create regulations to sue them. And, you know, we were very successful a few months ago, I basically made this go viral where I said, I published how to comment on an ATF rulemaking for pistol braces, and then we got so many people to do it that way. They withdrew the rule completely. So

 

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my record on on the second amendment is much better than most.

 

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Because actually, again, this goes back to actually doing things versus signaling to people that you’re, you know, you’re a patriot. Yeah. Shut up. Like just stop. Like, I call it patriot LARPing remove of LARPing live action role playing Okay, so the people who like get up in their medieval swords and they do live live action role playing like some of the Elves some of the trolls right and they go the big fields and do this is a big thing. Throughout it’s always has been, so I call it patriot LARPing. Like, when you when you when you go to buy this cool kit online, he never wanted overseas, you don’t really know how to shoot that AR. You certainly don’t know what attack reload is you don’t know what a transition drill is. But hey, you’re a patriot. Stop. Yeah. Like I’m not, you know, like, so I’m not going to take criticism from you. Yeah. And the other problem is, is they tend to, you know, like to exercise their rights and basically go scare suburban moms and dads, and because they’re like, Who were these guys? Yeah, like we’re fighting for the Second Amendment. You’re not fighting. Your patriot. LARPing is different. Okay. So anyway, that’s very strong opinions.

 

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There’s a doing something and there’s not and I noticed, too, in HR eight, that was the universal background checks bill that just passed the house.

 

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Yeah, some republicans did vote for it. I’ve never voted for it. And I did a whole lengthy video explaining, because this is complicated for people. Like, why this isn’t good policy. And then I noticed I’m like, Where’s the NRA is video. Where’s gun owners of America on this where Find me a single second amendment advocacy group, but millions and millions of dollars in the bank that does one educational video to persuade a single person to see it your way couldn’t find you can’t find one. Wow, these people are useless. And I’m calling them out. I am sick of it. And I will never be criticized for any of my stances on the Second Amendment. So like I’m just I’m just like, I’m done with Okay, now the red flag was that day there was this is this is following the shooting in El Paso. And this is the sequence of events President Trump comes out and says we’re for red flag class at the federal level. Everybody likes to forget that one right because he’s Teflon he can’t say anything wrong Yeah, you know people are like well I’m sure he didn’t mean it. He was playing a 15,000 D chest Yeah, whatever.

 

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And so and so I tweet out on my blog, you can you can you can consider these at the state level and then and then I move on to and then I do a series of videos basically like this These are the parameters with Duke to protect due process because no there are no red flag laws that I could possibly support none of them protect due process. If you’re going to have that conversation this is how you do I gave the public way too much credit on this one because I thought that we could have a real like nuanced I could I could like kind of deliver some information to people and I was totally wrong. I was totally wrong and I’ll never make that mistake. It’s like I really I’ve never I was like look i don’t i don’t there’s not a single red flag I support Yes you do. You’re you voted for it. I’m like we haven’t even that’s not even a vote first of all you sponsor to build no it like you just you know people just then that just rolls into this conspiracy like you’re talking about and stuff you know, my message to people to stop again just goes back to evaluate information in front of you stop thinking with your reptile brain. Think with your your adult brain. Yes, you know, it is killing our politics. I’m the best messenger you’ve got for the Second Amendment. And you neutered me on it. Can’t talk about it. Because you guys stopped it with your nonsense with your childish nonsense on this issue. Just stop.

 

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And so yeah, it’s been alive for a long time. It’s it died down a long time ago, but

 

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that’s the explanation. Okay, so that was the fun. That was the fun portion of the interview. So I’m glad you enjoyed that.

 

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I get riled up on conspiracies bad because like, it’s the heart of this The hardest part about this job, it’s not dealing with the left is dealing with our own side. Yeah. And because I want our side to be better, it demoralizes me, when we when we go down these weird rabbit holes, and it’s it happens, look for all the texts you get. I get all of them too, but I get a lot more than that.

 

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Not necessarily about me, but just issues in general. They’re like, Is it true that this is like, no, it’s not? You know, and you should know better? Yeah, you know, like, you gotta, you gotta just pull it back, pull it back, you know, it’s just, we have to do better. That’s why I try to deliver so many, so much content that that is designed to educate on a lot of different subjects, because I want you to be able to make the right arguments and don’t go down a track that that turns you into a caricature that the left wants to build. Yes, yes, certainly, certainly. Well, something even more important than gun laws. Are is your favorite show. So in your book, you revealed that your favorite show was saved by the bell?

 

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Is, is that is that true? Or is that or is that false? I mean, it’s it’s my favorite. I said

 

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I was a fan. When I was that that age. So yeah, I mean, there’s nothing wrong with that. I feel like you’re judging. No.

 

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So so so the important thing that that all of America wants to know, this is a rank order question my friend rank order my question.

 

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Jesse span Oh, Kelly kapowski. Lisa turtle? That’s Kelly. I mean, it’s not even a question. Kelly capacities Kelly capacity goddess. It’s got hard times as children. Yeah, it’s got to be so funny. Yeah, Kelly.

 

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Not even close. Well, good. Good. Good. You mentioned Trump being Teflon a second ago.

 

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What do you think Trump’s role will be in the in the Republican Party in especially the next upcoming primaries? specifically? Does he have vengeance on his on his brand? I think it was maybe 200 billion or so if he raised two or 3 million Africa last? How’s

 

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that? Look? The real? The real answer is? Who knows? I don’t think he knows. To be honest. That’s my assessment of that. But it does seem obvious that he wants to play at least a light role as a kingmaker and endorsed people. His first goal is to attack the 10 people who voted for impeachment.

 

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I’ll be honest with you, I don’t see that. I don’t think that he certainly doesn’t want all of those, you might knock off a couple. But that’s the conversation about all that has really moved on. And, you know, so I don’t know, if I were to give him advice. I would say, look, you you live on Mar a Lago, you’re still a billionaire lifestyle, that you you had a lot of accomplishments in four years that you can that you can build a legacy off of?

 

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The last few months haven’t been great for that legacy. But if your message is constantly reminding people of some of the good things,

 

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and

 

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running the race, basically running the messaging race that you should have been running throughout 2020. And because you would be president right now,

 

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then then then your legacy will survive. And that that would to me, that would be like the ultimate goal.

 

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But I I’ve never been able to get inside of his head. So you know, I don’t know. And frankly, I don’t think he’s decided yet. Sure. he could, he could be a lot more in the public eye right now if he wanted to. But he’s, he’s made a deliberate choice not to just kind of speaks with some statements every once in a while might do an interview, occasionally, but more outspoken on the border stuff recently, because that’s a good bailiwick for him. Right? That’s a good issue for him. So you know, why not? Why wouldn’t you go in on it? And he can make such a clear distinction, just kind of stick it to Biden a little bit. And he should I mean, because there’s this this administration, bind administration, they’ve made quite the habit of blaming every little literally every problem on the Trump administration. Oh, the Vax delivers no vaccine plan is self evident that that’s not true. We’re doing million vaccines a day on the day took office. Yeah. And so, you know, borders stuff was a mess. So we took over it’s just not that’s not true. You know, these these things are just not true. We could go into plenty of details as to why but, you know, it’s, um, you know, I’m sure that was one of the funniest like memes I, I saw was Jed Sakhi. Well, the Trump administration left us really slippery stares and that’s why Biden

 

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I’m not a fan of making fun of Biden just for slipping on stairs. I think it was a little overdone. But uh,

 

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You know, but that was pretty funny. Yeah.

 

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So you sort of danced around the topic of the World Economic Forum.

 

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The great reset, we talked about a little about the COVID conspiracy to shut everything down, that we got the border issue at hand. Where do you see the great reset? Right now? And where’s it? Where’s it going over the next four, four to six years? I don’t know if I danced around it. I just don’t know anything about I mean, there were a lot of subjects that touched the great reset, or at least the philosophy of the great reset. Yeah. I just don’t know much about it. Okay. Again, I don’t, I don’t care, either. You know,

 

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I think we’re obsessing over it on the right a little bit. And look, I have been to the website, and I saw Okay, this is okay. This is why people are saying that, because I did look into that. Okay, they say something about a great reset. I don’t look into it any more than that? Look, it’s it’s a bunch of people.

 

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It’s an organization that has no real power. I mean, the look, there’s always going to be people that that maybe, I think what they mean by great reset is the same thing the democrats are always saying about, about, you know, what kind of infrastructure they want to invest in, redistribution of wealth, that kind of thing, more open immigration. I mean, it’s what you think it is, I believe.

 

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But, you know, I think when you call it the great reset, it’s sort of it sort of it sort of indicates that there’s like a secret, you know, power come all over it all. And it’s not so secret. It’s just the Democrat Party. So like, again, I just want us to like take a step back. It’s not that it’s not a conspiracy. It’s it is a political platform. But just like, just, you know, we sound a little crazy. When we start talking about like some sort of like, secret secret cabal, just despite the Democrats, it’s the same thing. It’s all the same. Sure. Sure. Sure. And you mentioned wealth distribution, I think, probably be nice to take a quick tangent into that, because that seems to be the core of their economic control, or at least their economic plan. They mean, the liberals may not be the Cabal.

 

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Yeah, it’s just more open, right? Like, it’s not some secret thing. So do they, do they not? Do they not read economics? I mean, did they not look at things like proto principle prices law, where, you know, the, it’s always it’s always a fact that the square root of the number is going to have 50% of the production, square root of 110 of them will have heard of million 1000 will have had 50% of the resources? And it’s even more disparate than that, didn’t that realize that all the wealth is eventually going to recruit the exact same people? Yeah. I mean,

 

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that’s always the question whether they’re ignorant of the facts, or whether they’re lying. And it’s usually maybe a combination of both they, they have a fund that, like you have to you have to move back into the psychology of how a leftist thinks, and they believe, fundamentally that, that you can control society in human nature, far more than say, I would believe

 

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that’s a dispositional difference. And everything flows from that. So that’s important to understand. They have different values associated with that.

 

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They believe that wealth is held forgotten, right? So I might believe that somebody deserves the wealth that they’ve created. They don’t, right, they see it, and they think, like, well, Bernie Sanders says this all the time, he notes how much more billions have been made by billionaires during the pandemic. And that’s the only question he asks if they’ve made more money, it must be immoral. Now, I don’t think that way. I think, well, how did they make them? Did they steal the money? Now, if they stole the money, or if they took advantage of people, they infringe on somebody’s rights to make that money? That would be immoral. As far as my moral framework is concerned, the left doesn’t have the same moral framework. This is really important to understand. It’s the only way we can understand like, why we have these differences. And also, these are eternal differences. These dispositional differences have been there’s a good book written about this called the

 

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the conflict of visions by Thomas Sol, and he really talks about how long these divisions have been occurring in human history. It’ll never go away. Now in modern form, we call it the left and the right. But he calls it the constraint and the unconstrained vision, and I think it’s a highly accurate way of speaking. So that’s a bit philosophical, but that’s why I think they think wealth is immoral.

 

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And, and they don’t really believe in hierarchies, especially especially hierarchies, formatted around some kind of meritocracy. That’s that’s a really important thing, too. And they’ll say this, there’s literature and progressive woke left that talks about meritocracy as being racist and and you know,

 

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You know, neutral applications being racist. I mean, that’s a critical critical race theory has started all this back. Yes, yeah, you have to view it through a, you know, a race lens or a gender lens or whatever kind of other intersectional lens. And this means it’s really hard to find a truth, like a core of truth. It’s really hard. It there’s a lot of contradictions in it. And it’s hard to follow. That’s kind of the point. They want to confuse it. Yeah. Well, you wrote an article in the daily wire, I think it was last week that talked a little bit about the victors versus victims mentality, how storytelling has been used by the left in order to create false narratives, false narratives that lead to two bills and objectives that they are trying to fulfill that they’re not logically coherent with that. You know, you mentioned Thomas soul, Thomas soul says that the democrats are the Democrats, Republicans, the Democrats, I don’t mean this as a slide in any way. But the democrats will send their a team into politics in their B team in the business, the republicans send their B team into politics in their 18 into the into the free marketplace. And and it seems to me like they have present company excluded, they have superior communicators and as community that communication, although it’s the logical in its basis, it is more effective in its communication of their narrative, because they want to be the determinants of the hierarchy. Yeah, yeah, I think that’s probably true. Although,

 

31:26  

I don’t know if they have better communicators, because I strained to see like an opponent on the other side that I really respect as a as a communicator that can go toe to toe with me, I actually don’t agree 100% Yeah.

 

31:41  

At least in politics, maybe like, like Bill Maher is actually pretty good.

 

31:45  

But you destroyed him pretty, pretty clearly, though, but he really chose a bad debate. You know, I’m sure I’m sure we could do better anyway. But there’s but there’s some that might be better. But the but they’ve got to be very moderate. Sure. If they’re gonna, if they’re gonna, because if the further left they go, the easier it is to bash them. Anyway. But but but but what they have an advantage on is the ability to, to leverage emotion to their side, and empathy, right? They’re always the party of compassion and sympathy and empathy and, and feelings. And,

 

32:18  

you know, the public is to its it also, they’re the they’re the party will give you stuff if you vote for me. I and that’s, that’s pretty compelling. And again, I’m really mad at our side lately, because everybody’s like, why did mitch mcconnell support the $2,000 checks? That’s why we lost Georgia. I was like, what, guys? I thought we were conservatives, I thought we were you know, didn’t believe in just dishing out money to somebody who doesn’t need it. You know, when it comes to direct cash payments, well over 100 million people who were getting those never lost their job. You know, a lot of those are government workers, by the way, active duty military 1000s, you know, this is for a family. It’s 1000s and 1000s of dollars, like, is this ethical? Is this guy like come on? You know, it’s it’s it’s very frustrating how we’ve given into that. That’s populism, by the way. So So populism, I think rears its head on the left in almost every pop policy. I define populism as telling you what you want to hear, as opposed to what you should hear and the truth. That’s, I think that’s the best explanation of populism that I’ve come up with, because everybody just says it. And I’m like, What does it mean? I think that’s what it means. It’s going to tell you what you want to hear. We’re gonna we’re gonna I’m gonna connect with you emotionally. As I want to make you feel good or make you a you know, whatever. Oh, you believe in that weird conspiracy? It’s good. That’s fine. That’s fine. It’s you. It’s your truth. Okay. And we’ve started to do that. Instead of saying no, like, there’s a box here. Yeah. Like there is no q&a pod just is not like, stop it. Now, the right is better about that than the left. But we’ve, we’ve gotten shaky on this. And we need to just be like, no, there’s an Overton window here. And outside of it, you’re not with us. And we’ve gotten into this weird notion like I’m like, Marjorie, is a good example of this. There’s no reason to defend her. She offers us nothing. She doesn’t know a whole lot. She’s she has engaged in crazy conspiracy. She’s proven that she hasn’t, even if she apologizes for it. Now, she’s proven that she has an inability to evaluate information put in front of her. There’s no reason to defend this person. She’s always going out and performing for the base. Why do we reward these things? And just because they’re unapologetic, well, they’re fighting for us. Now. They’re not. They’re performing for you. There’s a difference. And so we need to be careful about that not engaged in populism. It doesn’t help anybody. It’s not some people confuse populism with just the things that people want that are good. That’s not so like working for the people. That’s not it’s not what populism is and that’s not what these policies that were being promoted are either it’s a bit of a tangent and

 

35:00  

The initial question was,

 

35:16  

so your book fortitude hit the New York Times bestsellers, lists, widely rave reviews. What was kind of your business decision on whether to write that book or not? What was the process? Did you come up with the concept and pitch it or someone else? pitch it to you What? And then work? Yes. Well, one of my good buddies, the same guy who convinced me to run for Congress was like a should write a book to I was like you, you have gotten me to do more work than anybody.

 

35:44  

When I was like, yeah, maybe that’s a good idea. And he’s like, why don’t you just have breakfast with an agent? And this? So this was that, by the way, this conversation was happening right after I was elected. So before I took office right after I was elected. And so it’s like, All right, I’ll breakfast with an agent. So this was after SNL. Yeah, just after SNL. So that’s why it made sense, right? Because it’s sort of 15 minutes of fame from that. And you know, why not a pitch of book, it’s a good time to do it. And,

 

36:14  

yeah, and so the idea for the book sort of came from that conversation, because I was I honestly, I was, like, I don’t, I don’t know what I don’t know what I don’t know what to write about. And he’s like, well, and I’m like, I’m not gonna read a single book, you know, because I just, I just think it’s over done.

 

36:30  

And I don’t, I don’t want that to be my legacy. And so we sort of just chatted through it, and came up with the and once once we have that concept, then I could easily write the outline, right? I was like, okay, because I love the idea of these sort of self help books.

 

36:47  

That is, I want to deliver you a lesson I don’t want to tell you a story, not a great storyteller. And I don’t want to tell you my story that that seemed just didn’t seem like the right thing to do. But my story can be woven within it anyway, I want you to learn something.

 

37:03  

And that’s pretty consistent with all the contents I try to deliver. I want to I want to give you something.

 

37:09  

If I give a speech, I don’t like rally speeches. I’m not good at them. I don’t I mean, I guess I could be but I don’t like doing it. It feels cheap to me. And I want you to come away with something after I give a talk or or even post something I want you to be like, I didn’t know that before or that’s that’s a take that I can use and that’s beneficial.

 

37:34  

And again beneficial to to further our cause a little bit and for fortitude. It’s

 

37:39  

It’s It’s more personal it’s really political book. Although the it is a culture war book so I that certainly drives politics to a great extent but but I but I definitely believe that liberals can easily read the book and think it’s fair and a lot of told me that so you know, it was it was designed that way it’s it’s more self help than it is political. It’s a political at all. Yeah, it was it was very religious fact. It was for a baptist Deacon. It was overtly rigid. Really, surprisingly religious. I had, I think I read it in the first month that it was out and I text you today, Dan, great job. fantastic book. Very, you know, religious, surprised me. I think he even said in your book that you don’t wear your religion on your sleeve. And you know, that I’ve never have and but um, yeah. Oh, sorry. Yeah. So, so we.

 

38:28  

So I sent that text to you. And you replied, I don’t remember this reply. He said, Yeah. Like to get in some churches are around around the district. Yeah. And I was thinking to myself, because we’d been doing a number of churches together. I was thinking to myself, well, man, this guy is dropping the F bomb, but he’s also talking about the cross Christ in this book, I’m pretty sure that you’re not gonna get any churches. That’s kind of my, my thinking. They’re kind of kind of laugh there. And in that three days later, I get a text from my own pastor. The pastures are my church that Rick just finished Crenshaw, his book, he was amazing. It was great. His theology was really sound and they’re just really really impressed. I thought, you know what, I’m an idiot. I just didn’t see it coming. So I wonder if I won’t drop f bombs when I speak in the churches. I promise you that.

 

39:12  

I don’t think people care. Look, I mean, it’s

 

39:15  

in but of course when we were having that conversation I think COVID was in full swing so getting into churches wasn’t wasn’t in the wasn’t in the cards. Things have changed in 2020 wire so you know, we I’ve really got I’ve never done a book tour. Yeah, I love to and churches really are the ideal place for it because yeah, so I weave in religion, too. And if I were to write it again, if I had more time like I had a deadline it’s one year long. There’s there’s so much in the Bible that again, I I’m not a theologian by any stretch, you know, but but every but I keep learning more and more and I’m like, haha, that really applies to this and that and that’s that so an a point that I make often is like, Truth Truth.

 

40:00  

This actually gets back to the Thomas soul book the conflict of visions and the difference between the constraint and the unconstrained the constrained vision, which is the sort of conservative vision and it’s constrained because it’s, there’s a constraint on how much government can affect society. That’s the, that’s the notion behind constraint, okay. unconstrained means there’s like no limit, right? We can just keep tinkering with you, we will change your human nature, we have unconstrained power to do so. So just for the audience, that’s what I mean by that. And part of the constraint vision is this is this idea that truth comes over millennia, trials and errors and under an and in religion is like that. Okay.

 

40:41  

You know, humans of mankind has received that truth. And we’ve, and we’ve figured out how to talk about it and to live it over time. That’s why the moral framework of the Judeo Christian history and, and the framework is, is so important and so true. Yes, it’s true.

 

41:03  

And it’s really important to have that anchor, and that that separates us quite as social conservatives quite a bit from, from progressives, which, by definition, has no fundamental truth that they’d be proud to say that that’s a no, no, we need to keep changing it.

 

41:22  

So that’s one of the reasons why why I put so much in there, I use a lot of philosophy to like stoic philosophy fit well within the fortitude mindset.

 

41:33  

And, but that’s why it’s just like, you’ve got to, don’t reinvent the wheel, I’m not teaching you any new lessons in fortitude. I’m sort of, sort of repackaging them and, and adding some of my own personal flair. And that that was that was what was fun about it, like, I have a concept I’m trying to deliver to you. And within a couple of pages to support that concept. I’m giving you a pop culture reference, maybe about Taylor Swift or something. I’m giving you a biblical verse, I’m giving you some history, I’m giving you a policy example. And I’m giving you a seal story. And that’s what makes it fun and readable. I think it was fun to write because because of that, too. It’s just very multidisciplinary. Yeah. You use a lot of john paul, the second quotes as well, throughout and probably the, I would say, sort of the sub thesis of of a good portion of the chapters was this quote about you, America, America was created so that not you, not that you could do what you want. But what to do as you ought to watch that. But that’s, that’s the generality of it. And this this concept that there’s art out there, there’s an art out there ingrained every human being Yeah, you. You talked about that quite a bit. Yeah. Yeah. Then that’s, that’s a great quote. Like, there’s probably so many more to that’s what is frustrating about a book like this, but like, double the size of it.

 

42:59  

And just add more and more concepts like that. But yeah, not the freedom to do what you like, but to do what you are.

 

43:07  

It’s a really deep

 

43:09  

concept. And like you said that the fact that there isn’t there even is an art and this sort of sense of purpose, and sense of duty. And in the context of civics and politics, this, this, this sense of being the responsible citizen. And now you can apply this to all sorts of cases,

 

43:33  

to the smallest thing, and I try to I try to build it from the smallest examples to the biggest examples. And but in a small way, it’s, I think, I use the example of just putting your shopping cart back when you’re done with it. You know, yeah, I mean, Joe Rogan had a funny conversation about that. He was like, I hate it when people don’t.

 

43:54  

Is this funny Instagram

 

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account called cart narcs. Okay, and they literally take a camera and sharp and into into parking lots, and they follow people who don’t put their shopping carts back.

 

44:07  

We got all these funny after that episode zero, we always really funny comments like Joe Rogan, and Dan Crenshaw are the cartoner

 

44:15  

I’m not, but I would, I would be very frustrating. You know, it’s just the little things and we’ve all done it.

 

44:22  

We’ve all we’ve all you know, cut that corner, I think and

 

44:29  

the thing is that the reason you should feel shame about it, and I have a whole chapter on how to be how to feel shame,

 

44:36  

which again, gets into the religion did that and that’s it was kind of after the fact Yeah, that I that I added so much religion into it, because it’s like, Wait a second.

 

44:46  

There’s no need to reinvent the wheel here. Yeah, this stuff is taught. That’s right. And, you know, if I was a better theologian, again, I would have added more because there’s there’s a lot to it. There’s so much that is applicable

 

44:59  

but

 

45:00  

You need to feel bad when you’re not living with that sense of duty and you’re not just you’re not doing the right thing that you ought to do. And, and then the next question is, well, how do you know what you ought to do? And that’s where that moral framework comes into place. You need that anchor in society, it’s really important. And even if it’s not, even if you’re not a Christian,

 

45:22  

you generally have to admit that your morality does come from a Judeo Christian framework, because you live in a Western civilization, and it’s just where it comes from. And again, I’m perfectly fine with an atheist, you know, saying, like, I’m a good person, you can’t tell me I’m not a good person. And I might, I’m like, well, there’s no indication that you’re not a good person. I bet you are. Maybe you’re a better person than me. Yeah. But you do have to admit that you’ve got that moral framework from somewhere really interesting debates between like Sam Harris and Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson on this, that’s it’s a, they can speak to it much more fluently than I can, but it’s, that’s where the concept comes from. Yeah, yeah. So there’s little CS Lewis, I think is probably one of the foremost authorities on on narrating this and trying to explain the construct of moral laws and the and the great arts of life and and he you know, people say well, what’s the more like, I don’t believe in a moral law. Well, he would say that it’s it’s ingrained with us just like the natural law the law of gravity is in graining objects. And he said that, you know, use a Warfighter. example here, let’s say you’re out on a mission, you’re under under gunfire, your buddy gets hurt, hit, he’s certainly open, you take cover, you’ve got two thoughts that are on your mind. It’s an in every human beings mind. Number one is self preservation to stay there stay safe, I don’t want to be a vegetable. Number two to go out there and save your buddy.

 

46:44  

And so you’ve got these two instincts there. Now the liberal would say that that’s that’s that’s your that’s your law. That’s that’s kind of your cell truth. Whatever you decide is, is kind of what’s what’s the best thing to do. But Lewis would say that there’s something above that, something about that, that tells you which one is good and which one’s bad. And that’s the moral law. And

 

47:04  

there’s, there’s a great apologetics that that recently passed away, that said that he’s never seen a law without a law giver. And so that gives you the personhood that’s attached to the to the moral law. And that gives you like, you talked about the kind of that foundation that the liberals reject as a matter of, of of reasoning, and that’s why their, their ideology is so distracted. It’s not it’s not coherent. It’s not logical.

 

47:29  

But I think I think that what you brought up in your book, you said that

 

47:35  

you said, first of all, you said that the 10 commandments aren’t aren’t just white, but they’re true. And you use that comment similar to that, that they’re grounded in ultimate realities is sort of what you what you’re getting out there.

 

47:47  

Do you believe that a right way of thinking has to be grounded in in not only the Judeo Christian ethic, but also in kind of the ultimate reality that that that this is a universe of that that God is in control? If this is uh, this is, you know, he’s he’s the author of what’s happening? Yeah, yeah. It’s hard to become a religion very philosophically. Yeah.

 

48:11  

You know, I

 

48:13  

and so as I think through creation, and, and also what’s more likely, yeah, I find it hard to believe. Not that I don’t believe in evolution. I think that’s, that’s clear in the science, but I but I, but I tend to think something had to design that and then there’s, there’s some interesting analysis from a scientific perspective, too, that would demonstrate that mathematically, it’s really hard to, to get to us from from a single cell organism. Now. adaptation is one thing, it’s easy to see how cells adapt and how DNA adapt for sphere intraspecies. Right? It’s, it’s a little bit more difficult to see how you get from from this to this to us from the single cell organism, just just intuitively speaking, you know, look, I’ve talked to Brett Weinstein and evolutionary bio, I’ve asked that same question to evolutionary biologists very smart people. And they’re like, Yes, there is. And I was like, Okay, well, I mean, I can’t argue with him. I don’t know. I don’t know the science necessarily, but

 

49:17  

we know. It just don’t see it. But but so that’s just that’s just creation

 

49:24  

on but then there’s a there’s a next question of why why is anything the way it is? and science describes things very well? I don’t see any conflict between science and religion. I just I’ve yet to see any conflict. Yeah, the only difference is science is too small to contain religion. Religion is big, contained science and mathematics, humanities at all of history. That’s That’s the difference. I think so. Yeah. In moral morality and morality. I think that’s where science has, you know, you know, you can argue anthropologically speaking that look, we learn armor and this will be Sam Harris’s argument. I wouldn’t want to kind of butchering it, but he would

 

50:00  

argue that like over time we adapt, and we learn behaviors that that have a superior outcome. And that’s that’s what creates a moral framework.

 

50:11  

Yeah, maybe that’s,

 

50:14  

that’s probably true, but I’m not so sure I see any difference between that and and the spiritual side of it. They kind of seem like the same thing to me. It’s like you’re learning to be closer to God, that’s sort of the purpose of religion is to be closer to God. And to be closer to that truth. What’s the difference between that and what he’s saying? I’m not so sure there is one.

 

50:36  

So it kind of seems to me like we’re all just saying the same thing is science describes things very well doesn’t explain anything. Because like it’s in this gets to the philosophy of the unmovable mover. Yes.

 

50:49  

You know, because, like, I can explain how the cell works. And this does this, and this is this, but it’s like, why it’s like the five year old who says, Well, why, why, why?

 

50:58  

And you keep asking why Eventually, the mom is like, I just did, okay. Because you run out of explanations, well, why do I have to go in the car? Because you have to go in the car to go to school? What have to go to school? You have to? Because you have to learn the things? Why do I have to learn anything, because that’s how you grow up. It’s just

 

51:15  

so you can do the same thing with just explanation of everything. And science describes that we’re constantly searching for that description of processes, and physics and biology and thermodynamics and all of it. But there’s always going to be the next question as to why and it literally always, I don’t think you’ll it’s impossible not to keep going. No, I mean, so that the unmovable mover.

 

51:44  

And I that’s that’s the immovable mover is referencing a cause effect philosophy. Yeah. But so I come I come to God very philosophically. Yeah. And that’s, I don’t know, I just do. I don’t know why. Yeah. Well, I think a lot of the founders were theists, not necessarily Christians, and they came to it very philosophically, as well. I think you mentioned the kind of the cause and effect now I think that’s really the the logical inconsistency that a lot of those the very smart liberals come at the especially the the atheist is because they push it back to evolution, they want to put something they want to get evolution bigger than what it is. or the Big Bang. So the big bang started at, well, what was before the big bang, because there’s a cause and effect, right? The big thing was an effect. It wasn’t it happened at one time. Well, there was some sort of primordial type of, you know, law of gravity or something in place there say science hasn’t found that out yet. Yeah, that’s what they say. But they keep moving the why question back. And what they forget is in Latin is called x, Neil, yo, Neil, out of nothing, nothing comes.

 

52:44  

I mean, so if there was really nothing, nothing would come out of it. So right, who create, you’re just pushing the question. And even if you do explain, okay, fine. Maybe we do explain what caused the Big Bang? Will what cause that? Yeah, again, I get again, it’s there’s exactly yeah, you know, I’ve never been walking in the forest or middle of nowhere and looked down and saw a watch, and thought, it’s impossible for a watchmaker to exist. And, you know, I look at my kids, I look how short they are. They’re far more complicated, complicated and complex than that of a watch. Right. But yet, there’s no watchmaker. Yeah, I mean, it’s crazy to go at it, but it is crazy. But yeah, yeah. So

 

53:24  

I want to talk a little bit about this, this concept of

 

53:29  

you know, that the stoic philosophy of not getting over emotional and you lose a little bit earlier about not not let your emotions take control not being too excited about things because and I can’t remember if it was

 

53:44  

aerosol, or somebody sitting around 300 300 bc that kind of Epicurus maybe that that’s heart started this author talk. Yeah, talk a little about about kind of your stoic philosophy, you lose a lot of it to your book and your book. Yeah, I know, I referenced it a lot. Like I want to start with, it’s not like I was a big reader on stoicism. Prior to that.

 

54:06  

Again, I, I established concepts in my book, and then I did research after the fact to basically support it. And what I would find is like, these are just eternal truths. Sure. And so it was super easy to research it and back it up. And so I came up on not like I’d never heard of stoicism obviously had I just did some extra research to add it to the book. But you know, Marcus Aurelius was I was, I guess, right was Mercurial, but I don’t know if he was the founder.

 

54:35  

I’m not a scholar on stoicism. But you know, the base. There’s a lot of interesting points in there that I think are just very applicable to, to just being better off in life. Yeah. And kind of depends on which chapter I’m applying it to, but there’s a couple of things look like for instance, challenge yourself, do hard things. In one chapter is called do something hard. Yes. And that is part of the stoic philosophy. You know, they would they would encourage

 

55:00  

Or one stoic philosopher would would just would place himself in poverty every so often just remind himself what it’s like, you know, it’s it’s, it’s, it’s it’s not such a shock to the senses to to live without power and food or water if you do it every once in a while. Yeah, right. So when it happens as it wasn’t so bad, this gets to a sense of perspective. To me, that’s a whole other chapter in the book is, you know,

 

55:29  

and one reason you might do hard things is to grant yourself a sense of perspective. And even if you’ve never had it hard, or you’ve never experienced a hard thing,

 

55:40  

get out of your own head, and imagine being in a harder place. And that’s helpful psychologically to imagine your ancestors. They’re not that not even that far away. They had it harder than you like, whether you like it or not. And,

 

55:57  

and that’s, that’s an important part of it, too.

 

56:00  

But, but on the emotional thing stoics talked about passions, yes. Right. And not, and they defined passions as sort of this kind of irrational exuberance, of emotion, not so much like I have a passion for, you know, a work or something. That’s not what they meant. They meant they meant the just not letting your emotions get the best of you. This is a complicated concept, of course. And it’s something that like, most people would agree with that. Yeah, I shouldn’t let my emotions get the best of me. But you do all the time right now. And instead of why, right? I’m just, you know, I don’t I make sure I don’t do it publicly. We all do. We all do it. And we could all be better. And look, I didn’t write this book, because I live up to all of these concepts.

 

56:46  

That’s not at all the case.

 

56:49  

But, but

 

56:53  

look, if you were a perfect human being, you would need to go to church either. I mean, you still should. Yeah. But you know, the point is, is that you have a set of standards that you’re that you’re trying to apply. And, and that’s what it is. And you know, to control your emotions, take a takes a highly conscious effort at all times. Yeah. And the first step is just acknowledging that you need to do it. I think that’s right, and being able to have the self awareness to identify when you’re doing it wrong. And the big problem with politics these days.

 

57:30  

And social media is a big part of this, because it allows us to express our emotions like crazy people, and get away with it and put it on a platform that explains that, that that situation I told you about earlier, where I have a grown a grown man, who is clearly again, happy to see me in some event, I’m going to event right after this, I guarantee I’ll have somebody do it again. I like to I talk Do you see what I wrote on?

 

57:56  

And they’re almost like, like, giddy about it? I think they’re a little embarrassed about it, you know, and you shouldn’t be embarrassed. Yeah. Cuz you sounded crazy. You know? And you were mean yes. And emotional. And you weren’t thinking and it’s now public. And you just have to stop doing that and social media has allowed our kind of our worst passionate selves to

 

58:20  

to really take over the conversation it’s not it’s not a great yeah, so in politics for the viewers politics, there’s a thing called a body man. And I don’t use the same terminology there but it’s it’s the guy that’s that’s standing there with with kind of the candidate or the the politician to get him out of conversations he wants to get out of pretty quickly. And that’s that’s a very, very important important role. Very important for things like that. That’s true. So you may you made a comment a second ago about your no one’s no one’s perfect you made you made the I think exact quote in your, in your book was that if left to our own devices, we’re all we’re going to tend to make the wrong the wrong choices that are the mistakes.

 

58:58  

eluding, there’s some sort of either defect in our morality or defect in our in our thought, maybe we’re doing things, we’re doing the right things, but also for the wrong purpose. That is wrong intent there.

 

59:08  

And there’s a lot of implications there for being a being a democracy, being a republic, having the type of governmental system that we have,

 

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in not having too much power concentrated in one place because people this is the biblical the theological term of this is original sin that once Adam sinned, the garden, that sin cascaded down through humanity, and that’s it’s called original sin by a federal head there. In the end, it’s kind of what Christ came to do to kind of alleviate that. And we can get to that later if we need to. But talk about that. I mean, do you do you perceive that whenever you’re coming into an interaction that there may be wrong intent, like the default is is the is the ill intent, or when you see a bill from from their side is or ill intent on that or is there

 

59:59  

like what what’s the

 

1:00:00  

assumption was kind of the the standard default. And Dan Crenshaw is mine when you’re interacting with someone from the opposite side.

 

1:00:07  

Yeah, and I don’t want to, I don’t wanna get the impression that I think if we’re just if left to our own devices, we would humanity would just go down these dark paths. It certainly does. Sometimes. The point I would I was probably make, that you’re probably referring to in the book was the, like the conservative ideal that and again, the constrained vision that the the purpose of government is to basically create a simple set of rules for a complex society, and an incentive structure that that generally in the aggregate gets to the best outcomes, you know, the progressive side is, no, we’re always looking for the perfect outcome. And we will continue to tinker with it at every level. And then the simpler question of like, what are these people think? Are the they have bad intent? I mean, they certainly don’t think so.

 

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And if they don’t believe that it’s bad intent, like, like, they’re not evil geniuses.

 

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But they,

 

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you know, because, jeez, it’s sometimes I struggled to like, I’m like, I’m maybe they do.

 

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But but to have truly bad intent, I think you have to know that you’re, that you’re wrong, like it’s evil, but you’re gonna do it anyway. Because there’s some personal gain for that, you know, so like, a, like a crime crime boss would be a good example of that. Sure.

 

1:01:32  

Like, I know, I’m, I’m hurting people, but I make a lot of money off of it. So that’s like, that’s one kind of moral case. With policy.

 

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It’s like, okay, we’ll think of it this way. Why does every policy action the democrats take increasing legal immigration? Okay, so is their intent bad? We’ll build they wouldn’t say so. Because they don’t think it’s bad to allow more people to come across the border illegally. They think it’s compassionate, because good is relative to them. Yes, yeah. And it gets to everybody really. So so. So they don’t they don’t they, they, they just don’t value certain things like sovereignty, rule of law, any kind of hearings to a process of immigration, they just don’t value these things. And they also and, and they diminish the the, the costs as well. And so, you know, that I this is I think they’re very myopic in their, in their assessments of policy, and the good outcomes that come with it. And so that’s how they view that. Now, I definitely think it’s bad. But as far as you know, ill intent. It’s a different question. And

 

1:02:48  

harder to say, I do think they’re power hungry, right? Like, I know that conservatives are paranoid. They’re power hungry. That’s the left. That’s the two peas for each side. And we’re always paranoid. Somebody is coming after us. Somebody is watching us that our own side has betrayed us. Right. And it’s like always paranoia to an exceptional degree, but they are power hungry to an exception. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. And is that bad intent? Yeah, yeah. No, you’re getting closer to what I think is ill intent. But again, they’re they think they’re gaining power to help you. So like, they don’t you know, so it’s, maybe I’m nitpicking the question too much. But it’s in I’m trying to be thoughtful about it. But yeah, but they definitely want more power, which I think is bad.

 

1:03:30  

Rubenstein, whatever, or Weinstein, you brought up a second ago? I think he used the comment. Maybe it was in your podcast with our Joe Rogan’s podcast recently, our Jordan Peterson’s maybe re said that once you let the minority dictate the agenda, that you quote, unquote, uninvent America? Yeah, that’s, that’s true. I mean, it sounds like something he would say, you know, he’s certainly referring to the, to the very radical left and especially with things like the transgender movement, you know, and that’s a minority of a minority driving lat I had a transgender person on my podcast not too long ago, and,

 

1:04:13  

and she was is now a he and he was like, like, 80% of us just are not even close to believing this, this craziness, you know, as far as trying to impose beliefs on others, and that’s really where it gets out of whack and that’s what Brett’s referring to or system is dying is designed to protect the natural rights of the minority but but not create a system based on minority preferences. That would be or majority preferences for that matter. You know, it’s

 

1:04:47  

it’s you can’t do that and that’s um

 

1:04:52  

it’s more of a cultural movement on the left, right their their their agenda, which in theory could be implemented in a democratic

 

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way, by a majority. But that agenda is certainly driven by by a minority. And

 

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and I don’t think that has good long term.

 

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It doesn’t have long term sustainability in my opinion. So we should be a little bit more optimistic about our hopes for the future. Because like people are getting turned off by the craziness. Yeah, I think minorities are the first ones to start shedding weight as we’ve gained more and more traction and Latino population and gained a tiny bit of traction in the black population, because they’re a little bit sick of being tokens, and talked down to, and I think if we just speak to them, and we don’t have to change anything we’re saying, is it conservatives in the past have long just walked on eggshells around minorities? They’re like, what do we say? Just tell them the truth? Look, I’m not gonna see any differently. I’m not gonna promise you anything. And like, these are the principles I stand on. They might work for you. They might not. But at least that’s what it is. Yeah. And we’re not gonna lie to you. That’s right. That’s, I think that’s a pretty good selling point, to be honest. Definitely, definitely.

 

1:06:02  

So many places to go there. So I think it was Nicholas and seem to leave in his book fragility on fragility, maybe black, black swan. He pointed out that once you get to place the society, we’re three to 4% of the minority of the total population are acting as a minority, they’re dictating to the majority. That’s when societies begin unraveling. And I think it’s exactly to what you were saying a second ago. And even you know, we talked about the that this may not be a longevity type of type of path that the that the liberals are, are trying to execute. You look at Gk Chesterton, and he was right in the 1920s, about a unit called woke ism, that’s essentially what it was that these people are just, I mean, they have they have no morals that are attached to reality that attach to the truth. And and it’s just it’s kind of a moving target there. Yeah, yeah, that’s kind of what post modernism is, if you’re going to define it, I don’t know that I have a great definition of it. But it’s sort of a departure from traditional truth on purpose, like purposely so it’s purposely confusing. And the, you know, there’s a interesting little thought experiment you can do to understand how that tiny little minority vastly changes society really quickly. And so like if your daughter’s a vegan, for instance, and it’s this is the tyranny of the minority, and

 

1:07:19  

it’s easier for you and your wife to just just cook vegan meals from now on because otherwise you’re cooking two meals. Yeah. And then Okay, so now you guys are all vegan, just just out of just practicality. But now you have a dinner party and then maybe dinner party, somebody else’s house and you’re like, hey, like, we need a Veit we have to have a vegan and they’re like, okay, we’ll just make it all vegan, you know, now everybody’s eating vegan. That’s sort of how it happens that, you know, it seems harmless, but it’s, but it’s not. And

 

1:07:56  

where it gets tricky is, you know, in this particular thought experiment of example, where where it gets tricky as well. I’m also going to tell guests not to bring other food because I don’t want that to, you know, to emotionally harm the vegan. And that sort of now, Matt, now you’re getting into a place where you’re infringing on people’s rights in a very direct way. Yeah. And look as conservatives, especially religious conservatives, that that’s that’s the proper balance of the living, let live philosophy.

 

1:08:27  

And look, we will certainly proselytize to people the right way to be, but we will never force it, that’s there’s a huge difference. I don’t, liberals really don’t get this difference. about like, there’s a big difference between talking about it. And even even in a strong way. And also and also protecting certain institutions that have that set of rules. Big difference between that and creating any legal standard that makes you do something big difference and and also and also infringes on your right to associate with who you want to associate with. I don’t understand why they can’t get this it’s but it’s because I think the compromise with the LGBT community is probably pretty easy. And I think most LBGT people would agree with that. Yeah. And but they but that small minority is much more militant about it, and they’re they’re not okay with a live and let live philosophy they want they want to you, you will accept me into your into your space philosophy. Yes. Maybe that’s a locker room. Maybe it’s a religious organization. Maybe it’s maybe it’s a place of work. And these are difficult questions. I mean, the we were all at this point with Gorsuch his decision on this one, but I can remember those what the Supreme Court decision was called, but it was,

 

1:09:46  

it was regarding

 

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Funeral Parlor where Ay,

 

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ay, ay. Ay man, trans transitioned to a woman in surgery. So now

 

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In this case, and, and this was a man a minute ago, and now it’s a woman, and you work in a funeral home, which is a sensitive place. Sure. It’s kind of if it’s an office or you know, fine, like, again, I I’m, I wouldn’t care personally, okay, fine gets get back to work is kind of what I would say.

 

1:10:21  

But it’s a funeral home, you know, and you’re gonna be dressing differently. In the way I point out to people, why is this different? And why is this different than, than, say, discrimination on race or gender and or other immutable characteristics? And the reason it’s different? I think we should we should look at this in legal sense differently, is because you’re changing a behavior. That’s, that’s where the line is, you’re changing a behavior, and I don’t I’m not sure what’s wrong with an employer saying you vastly changed your behaviors. These are not immutable characteristics anymore. So I have a right to not associate with you anymore. You know, so again, with it’s a,

 

1:11:00  

there’s a there’s a framework for REITs. That works. Okay. Yeah. And we should probably go to that. Yeah. So just just to know, I think the the one potentially,

 

1:11:12  

I guess, confrontational, if your book is probably something that was ever pointed out to you or may have asked you about, you have a you have a brief excerpt in there about Bradley Manning, converting to Chelsea Manning. And you change the pronoun in there. I always bring it up because because you brought the Trent transistors, why why would you change the pronoun they are in a written book, I can see you change the port if you’re if you’re dressing the person directly in the room. Oh, same reason out of politeness. Okay, like if you ask me to like the transgender, so I call him a transgender man. The guy was on my podcast. It’s not a guy. It’s a biological woman. Okay. I still call him a guy, because that’s what he asked. Yeah. It’s purely out of politeness. I’m under no obligation to believe that you’re a bot. And he would say the same thing. He would be like, No, I’m definitely not going to make you believe that. I’m a biological man.

 

1:12:01  

That’s, that’s normal. That’s a normal trans like a normal person. transgenderism. Okay. But yeah, it’s just out of politeness. You know, like, I’m not I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna try. Because the goal is not to trigger people here. You know, the goal is to, is to educate and to, in, frankly, if I had like, intentionally, quote, unquote, misgendered, him or her? So anyway, see, like, it’s hard. That’s right. That’s right. But like, I’m not intentionally doing it. And if I had intentionally done it, then it would have taken away from the broader argument that I was making.

 

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And the broader argument, I think, in that case, was was more just about

 

1:12:40  

elevating, elevating, woke ism above.

 

1:12:45  

You know, in that case, what would have been academic?

 

1:12:51  

I guess.

 

1:12:53  

What’s the word I’m looking for? I lost my train of thought. But you know, it wasn’t academic qualification. Right, Chelsea Manning was just not qualified to be there. But they were so obsessed with the work that they wanted him to be or her to be there, whatever it is now, and I’m super confused.

 

1:13:09  

But anyway, that that was the main point. So that, you know, it’s I think he shared it. Like somebody asked you to call them Sally. And they were Sam yesterday, as comms cares. Yeah. I just don’t want to get the conversation. They go. You don’t want to cut things off? Yeah. But as soon as Sally says, We know you have to believe that I’m a woman now. And I was like, I don’t have to believe or this is where it gets really bad. And this gets into the Equality Act. Not only do you have to believe that, but if you’re a doctor, you have to treat me as if I’m a woman. And it’s like,

 

1:13:40  

no, yeah, now we’re going now we’re being silly. And if it’s, this is where it gets really bad. Okay, there’s another problem with the Equality Act. And by the way, not just the Equality Act, but we just voted on the violence against women’s Act, which is a really long standing bipartisan thing that we’re we’re against violence against women. That’s it. We’re not for violence against women. Yes. Haha. But the democrats and the

 

1:14:07  

left they like to do so that they did is

 

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they made sure that there was a new provision in this because it’s just we’re just reprime we’re just reauthorizing a program. But they they added to it that biological men could be in women’s shelters. This is really bad stuff. And like, it’s really easy to find examples of bad things happening when you allow this stuff to happen. My wife’s aunt is a cop and like she just so I have to look hard for this stuff, right? Yeah, this is a month ago in Maryland.

 

1:14:40  

Two women were beaten badly by a biological man claiming to be a woman and a woman shelter. Like so we’re not making this this isn’t theoretical. Like this stuff happens. You can’t put biological men in a women’s shelter, a women’s prison, a women’s locker room, women’s sports. You just can’t do it. Let’s stop pretending that we can do that.

 

1:15:00  

That’s right. That’s right. It’s just really ridiculous. And that and therein is a perfect example where ultimate reality, ultimate truth and common sense, detract detached from one another. They’re no longer even in the same room. I mean, it’s, it’s just insane. You brought up the subject second ago about shame. You mentioned shame in one of your comments. Shame has, you know, an X triple x triple

 

1:15:27  

attachment, I think to the idea of repentance, of asking for forgiveness, saying you’re sorry, that sort of thing. And the irony, Dan, in that I have in the whole progressive movement, is that if you think of the term progressive, you’re progressing towards something better. Now there’s no there’s nothing that’s ultimately better in the progressive mind. Which is, which is logical fallacy number one, the term progressive. But if you’re heading in the wrong direction, down the road, the shortest way back, is to turn around and go back, go back the right way, right. And the person who turns around first is the most right, by default by definition. And the progressives don’t understand that. And in in this, I think maybe it was your article dated wire where there’s a general lack of shame in society, for certain things, they’re afraid to turn back and go back to the right direction. They’re afraid that they were wrong. They were afraid to repent, for the things that they that they’ve done.

 

1:16:23  

Is it just me or do you see kind of a general lack of willingness to repent or acknowledge wrongdoing or wrong motive or wrong? philosophy? Yeah. And half of America? Yeah. Well, it’s not just progressives. Right. It’s a political problem.

 

1:16:40  

The problem with progressives, as you mentioned, it is is a correct one. They don’t define their utopia very well. Yeah. Like, you know, a question I always ask is, like, Okay, if if the rich aren’t paying their fair share, what is the fair share? At least tell me Yeah, so that we, you know, I know where you’re going with this but but but by design, they don’t because the progressivism right, it’s always a, it’s a struggle towards utopia, which means no place things right. So that is the goal. Now, that’s I think that’s a little different than what I will my conversation about shame, I do agree. It’s, it’s, it’s,

 

1:17:15  

it’s necessary to even repent, you have nothing to repent for, if you don’t feel bad about it in the first place. That’s the whole point.

 

1:17:22  

And and the problem with modern society, to a large extent is, is being proud not to feel bad about things. And so I actually don’t see this as a particular problem on the left, it’s a particular problem in America, writ large, frankly. And, you know, I talked about the performative politics going on the right. And there’s almost a contest to like, say, the most outlandish thing and be you know, the hardest hitting and then be unapologetic for it, just for the sake of super triggering the libs and like, that’s not productive, either. And that that kind of gets to my problems, my conversation about shame as well, but, but really basic level Look, just feel bad when you do something wrong.

 

1:18:07  

And it because that’s the only way that you can live with a sense of duty, you can’t figure out how to, you know, turn around the right direction, if you don’t know in the first place, that you’re even going the wrong direction. And that gets into, you know, we already talked about this at length, but, you know, having a moral standard and framework to go off of in the first place, but we’ll just feel bad about it. And,

 

1:18:29  

you know, I brought up a bunch of different political examples in the book. And

 

1:18:36  

what I noted, though, in the book is

 

1:18:42  

this kind of

 

1:18:45  

inverse intent, and so the politicians who refuse to apologize are operating off of incentives that the public delivers to them. So it’s everybody’s fault, right? It’s not that we just have these evil, reptilian politicians, they’re operating off of incentives, and we got to be a little bit more mindful of that as Americans, like we’re screwing it up also, just as a culture. And people don’t like to hear that because it’s, well, it’s hard to take action off of that fact. Right? Because maybe you are perfect, but but there’s a lot of people who aren’t but I’m just saying we need to acknowledge it and once you acknowledge that it’s a little bit easier to understand politicians and public figures and and maybe give them some benefit of the doubt you know, because the incentive structure is designed where there is there is no repentance there there’s there’s no forgiveness because you get canceled yes culture Yeah, so you either so the for the politician in these situations, you either over you over apologize, like you over repent if you fly home from kinkos The next day, and that’s actually why you brought up Yeah, when I was growing up, Saved by the Bell. It was in the context of Mario Lopez who over repented. Yes, he said something perfectly reasonable and then he repented for it. It’s like, you don’t need to repent, man, you just just just be like, like, you can explain yourself.

 

1:20:00  

If you want, I suppose.

 

1:20:03  

And then there’s the people who are like, well, I just see no way out of this. So I’m never going to apologize for anything. Yeah, Donald Trump’s a great example of that literally has never apologized for anything his entire life.

 

1:20:15  

And it’s worked well for him comparatively.

 

1:20:21  

You know, sort of like he’s impeached twice, you know, and he probably wouldn’t have been if he’d been more apologetic about it, to be perfectly honest. Sure. And he’s a little differently. he’s a he’s a political you stack the probabilities of becoming a billionaire having a real estate success being a social a relative TV show, and then being president. I mean, it’s some valuable probability in a lot of people are trying to copy that. And that’s, that’s sort of what Trump if you want to trumpism is people are like, What is trumpism? Like, there’s no policy platform, the policy platform has always just been conservatism. He did a good job implementing conservative policies for the most part. So there isn’t like this unique trumpism. But what Trump ism is, is that sort of unapologetic behavior. Yeah. And that kind of Screw you. There is no political correctness kind of behavior, which, which is just fired up a lot of conservatives, but you can take it too far. And it doesn’t work for everybody else. Yes, it worked for Trump quite well. It doesn’t work for every bug didn’t work that well, because he lost the second term. So

 

1:21:20  

people need to kind of take a step back sometimes and balance that out a little bit. So that’s the unapologetic side, and you got to find the middle and I gave some examples of people who, who did find the middle pretty well. JK Rowling is a good example. She kind of refused to be canceled for her extremely normal, insane comments on transgenderism. And she’s super liberal. She agrees with me on nothing. Ellen DeGeneres was another example. I try to use a lot of these types of people, by types of people. I mean, liberals, you sit next to George George Bush, right? Yeah, she Yeah, she tried to canceler and she didn’t apologize. Now. She explained it. She’s like what I mean, but she didn’t she didn’t bow down. That’s like, that’s a really good example of like, kind of the middle ground of how to handle the controversy. And,

 

1:22:09  

you know, the good news is, I think they’re generally rewarded for it. I don’t know if JK Rowling has really been rewarded for it.

 

1:22:17  

But she should be. And that’s, at least we should know what the right path looks like. Yeah, yeah. So I just kind of stepping back, it seemed like your whole ethos is centered around responsibility and accountability. I mean, that’s, that’s the whole sealed narrative. I think that’s that’s the whole responsibility. That’s the whole Victor versus versus victimhood type of thing. And, and, you know, we talked, we had a conversation about morality, and I think I think there’s a very, very close tie in here. I think it was,

 

1:22:47  

was it Tozer maybe, that talked about morality essentially, has three, three components to it. One is his responsibility or duty to your neighbor, a responsibility to oneself like inwardly, and a responsibility to God. And it seems like Dan Crenshaw, Paul’s writings, you’re kind of the content you’re putting out is talking about the inverse of what the liberals are putting out in the near run the liberals is victimhood and a duty and responsibility to your neighbor, like you should you should give up your rights in order responsible for neighbor now we’re going to dictate the hierarchy by which that’s executed. But the Crenshaw is his narrative as the flip there liberals refer obviously, they they, they ignore the responsibility God, they ignore the responsibility to oneself, because everything’s relative, and there’s no God to be held responsible to through oneself. But you I mean, your book, you set out very, very clearly that your responsibility, accountability to oneself, no plan B, and then obviously, you lay it you laid out the eschatological argument, your duty to God, is that which it cascades down to the other responsibilities? It seems like, yeah, that seems about right. And I think that’s based in traditionalism. And personal responsibility is a big bedrock for conservatives, we say it a lot. We don’t explain it very much. And there’s a there’s a practical reason why that’s true.

 

1:24:07  

There’s a spiritual, maybe the focus on the spiritual reason first, that’s empowerment. If you’re not personally responsible, you’re disempowered. Right? So if you’re hyper accountable of the way, like Jocko talks about

 

1:24:20  

everything is in your control all of a sudden, and that’s more it’s a mindset. I’m not saying it’s practically true. Of course, not everything’s in your control, literally. But the belief that it is in the belief that at least you can recover from trauma or victimhood and and be better and stronger for it that that’s a mindset and liberals get really wrapped up and with that point, like, yeah, they’re like, what are we supposed to just not fight injustice? That’s right. I’m not saying that. Like, they just always put words in my mouth on that one. Like you can explain they just don’t get it. They don’t understand the this philosophy of overcoming your victimhood. They, they believe that that’s me.

 

1:25:00  

mutually exclusive with addressing the victimized people, but it’s not, you can do both. I it’s very frustrating that their their sense of morality in my estimation is we do explain it and why it’s different from what you just laid out is the collective, the collective morality.

 

1:25:22  

collectivism in general. And where that really gets dangerous is what they’ve started to do recently is

 

1:25:31  

collective guilt and collective punishment as well. And this gets into

 

1:25:38  

I mean, Senator Tammy Duckworth I just gave her some hell on on social media because she’s like, well, I’m just not gonna vote anybody that’s a that’s not a diversity candidate. So no white people and I’m like, That’s racist. That’s racist for saying, you know, like, we figured this out guys, Western civilization figured this out how not to do racist stuff, and took it we bled for it. We fought like really hard to get to this point where individual content of your character matters. And you people are just trying to reverse it. It’s really dangerous, and you’re sexist for color out for that. Yeah. We’re anti veteran or something. Yeah.

 

1:26:17  

It’s so stupid. Yeah. So you talked a little bit about the the control versus control. We I think you you alluded to the you’ve certainly stated, Jim Collins book, Good to Great, the Stockdale paradox where he was parachuting in, he is playing, he got hit he parachutes down. And he knows, in fact, has managed to be five years minimum down there. And, and he the way he took control is he looked at what are the control factors were the uncontrollable factors and constant what’s controllable right now. And I mean, that’s, I think you tie that in very, very well to this victimhood narrative, that there’s certain things that we can control, whether it’s making our bed, or washing the dishes, or making sure I get to work on time, there’s things we can control in our lives. And that’s the best place to start. Yeah, and it’s empowering. It’s empowering. And I forget the exact point, I was, frankly, I was making it, he calls it the paradox, and I was kind of making the point that it wasn’t necessarily a paradox. But we’ve been talking for a while, and I can’t even remember the point I was making the book. But But yeah, like it, but the broader point. And the simpler point is

 

1:27:22  

control which acknowledge that you can control and also maybe expand the things to expand that list of control items.

 

1:27:30  

acknowledge that you might have more control over a lot of things than you previously thought. To include other people and how you interact with them. And it’s helpful to swallow your pride sometimes take a step back and think maybe I am at fault for that really mean person like, what what could I have done differently? Now? That’s a really, that’s really hard for me to do. Okay, like, again, I’m not saying I live up to this. But it if you did do this, he would you would just you would Excel, I bet.

 

1:28:10  

Because look, interactions are not just some evil person versus you right now, that’s how a lot of us interpret those interactions. Because we don’t want to be wrong. We want to believe that the other person either infringed on us or or exerted their power over us in some way, we really want to believe this stuff. And I think we’re all guilty of it. You know, I I certainly look for reasons to believe that that that the reason that interaction didn’t go well, is because of them, and not because of me, but it’s healthy to maybe take some blame. And what I tend to do is I will take the blame, but I’ll be like,

 

1:28:47  

Yeah, but I’m still gonna do it anyway.

 

1:28:50  

At least acknowledge it. Yeah. You know, it’s, it’ll help you be better. Yeah. And like this, because this is all about self growth, again, until the book is about so yeah, acknowledging you have that power, and that you that it’s your fault when things happen. Even if it’s objectively not right. So again, it’s a mindset. Yeah, yeah, you’re gonna be better off in life? Well, I think it’s okay to agree to disagree on certain things. I think.

 

1:29:17  

On our free on January evening, January 5, you called me and we touched conversation about what was gonna happen on January 6, we don’t need to get into all that there. But I can tell you, we were probably on different sides of that. And you took a lot of heat for that. I think I think a lot of that heat is dissipated, I believe.

 

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But you stood your ground, you stood up for what you what you believed, and you made, in your opinion, what what the right choice was, according to the constitution and according to your oath.

 

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And it’s okay, you know, we’re not going to get along 100% of the time. 80% 8020 that’s, that’s pretty good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I would say so. I mean, my well, My only regret about that is probably not being more outspoken about it earlier.

 

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I don’t think I could have been

 

1:30:00  

Granted what happened on January 6, but, you know, it was a, I was mostly in the private debate of of what we should do about, you know, this is this is about voting to,

 

1:30:13  

to

 

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certify the election or not which we get my whole point is you have no, we have no power to certify the election. It’s never it’s not even in the Constitution. Yeah, no, where does it say the word certify anyway? I have a whole podcast about that. That podcast. That was excellent. Yeah. Is Trey Gowdy. Maybe, yeah, Trey on it. And, and chip Roy, and another professor of law. And

 

1:30:38  

that’s my by far my most downloaded podcast, in history of all my podcasts. And so, you know, people were interested in that subject. And because it’s confusing, and it got it got manipulated in the press, or it got manipulated in the public discourse by our side. I’m still very upset about it with a lot of my colleagues. Yeah.

 

1:30:58  

made it known. Well, going back to the primary, the primary topic about getting for time to speak. So I assume some of that some of that was was just good for time. Get some some attention. Yes. Yeah. For a lot of for a lot of my colleagues, you know, 100%. And I’m like, well, where did that gotcha? Yeah.

 

1:31:16  

didn’t turn out? Well, I say the least. What one one final thing. before we let you go. I want to I want to ask you a question. I’ve never heard you answer this. I don’t know if you feel comfortable answering this. But I want to I want to hear about maybe the first time that you killed someone. Well,

 

1:31:35  

we I’ve never really killed somebody like, like in a face to face. Okay. No, it’s it’s more indirect means okay. And they, they’re probably dead like it.

 

1:31:49  

But if I, if I had that story, I would tell that I really wouldn’t. But kind of kind of the After Effects kind of emotional activity. I mean, it was it was really impact after afterwards.

 

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No, okay. No.

 

1:32:06  

Not saying there couldn’t be kind of because it probably depends on how that how that interaction occurs.

 

1:32:12  

You know, some guys everybody will tell you maybe a different story, but we’re highly conditioned for it. Yeah. And, but but there’s, there’s a lot of like, again, going back to moral frameworks, it’s

 

1:32:26  

morality and wars. And it’s it’s a long conversation, and I haven’t really thought about it a whole lot. I just know that we are conditioned to to be okay with it to a large extent, but not okay with everything. I mean, there’s there’s a lot of ethics involved, I think in what we do, when guys are really torn up about what happens overseas.

 

1:32:49  

It’s, it’s, it’s usually it’s when it’s when the situation is really vague. Yeah, you know, or a kid accidentally gets killed or someone innocent actually accidentally gets killed. That that’s really terrible. Because nobody wants to do that on purpose. Nothing. Nobody. Obviously it’s happened. But you know, but we implement justice. If that does happen, that’s not okay. So,

 

1:33:15  

no, just as a just the nature of our deployments, we’re always kind of firing at each other. It’s hard to see them. So again, they’re like, well, we’re hoping they’re dead. They don’t seem to be moving. Probably. I guess you’re walking up to shoot someone point blank. You probably committed a war crime. No, no, not at all. Okay, that happens all the time. Okay. It’s just, I just didn’t get to do it. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Because there’s lots of close quarters, stories, for sure. Someone comes around a corner and you better shoot them quick. Yeah, we we clear a lot of houses. It just so happened that every time I do it, they’re not fighting back. Okay. So thank God, yeah, but you’re never gonna execute somebody. But I’ve certainly

 

1:33:55  

I guess, in a sense, ordered the deaths of many, but with, like, there’s people over there, we need air support, we need to kill them, which is the smartest way probably to do it. Rather than going well, I’ll just do what we can’t get to them. Maybe, you know, like, they’re kind of firing at us. They’re sort of locked in in a compound or something. And so the majority of kills overseas are going to be like that, okay? We’re taking fire from this, let’s get an ac 130, gunship overhead or some kiowas or patch, whatever air support we happen to have at that moment and just rain down on them.

 

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Yeah, that’s just usually how it works. So so as we wind down, seals have their other weapons of preference in various cases. So I want to go through some different scenarios. And if you know you’re going to walk in one of these scenarios, you know, you’re going to be in a fight of some sort, just kind of giving your kind of off the cuff weapon of choice. So you’re going you’re going to a biker bar, what do you what do you what are you carrying in there? The biker bar biker bar, you know, you’re gonna get a fight. I’m definitely gonna get into a fight. Yeah. And it’s bikers, bikers. Yeah, yeah, geez.

 

1:35:00  

You’re looking for bikers. You’re not conservative bikers. I guess they don’t have guns on them know that they’ve got bottles. They’ve got bottles of bottles. Yeah.

 

1:35:10  

I don’t know. I mean, wouldn’t you?

 

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I don’t know. Yeah, cuz you so

 

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you don’t want to escalate situations either right? See, it’s like you don’t want to pull a gun on somebody but you also are you outnumbered? Oh, yeah. You’re outnumbered. Yeah. Yeah, he just didn’t, then you might want a gun on you. Yeah. And just just stop the fight right there. You don’t wanna shoot anybody?

 

1:35:34  

But it was my de escalate a fight quicker. So that’s an interesting way to think about it, I guess.

 

1:35:41  

Now, if you’re not allowed to have a gun.

 

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Yeah, this is just a question. I don’t know.

 

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Because I don’t really, I don’t carry on me a lot.

 

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So

 

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you Yeah, good self defense knife is one that you can pull out of your pocket. And that has a hook on it that allows it to be deployed as soon as you pull it. There’s a some companies that make them that way. Or you can make your own knife that way people think switch blades are the way to go. That’s not true that that requires an extra step or two, okay?

 

1:36:14  

But look, you’re just for the audience. The best way out of a fight is to not to start the fight in the first place and just de escalate it’ll hurt your pride in that moment, but you will be better off generally and if you do get into it, you better know what you’re doing. Don’t don’t go to the ground in a bar fight because they’re just getting kicked by everybody. You know, you need to be able to like strike and move away very fast. That would be my sort of self defense 101 dan Crenshaw man of peace.

 

1:36:45  

Okay, let’s assume let’s assume you’re you’re you’re walking into a large field and you know, you got to do some sniper work you know, the scar or maybe one of the traditional types of sniper weapon would be the three ways something like that. what’s what’s what’s your what’s your weapon of choice, or what was your weapon of choice for? kind of long rage reached out and touched on one? Well, I only had a scar heavy 762 amalgam a big gun guy in the sense that like I have all these different types of gun they just have what was issued to me and just what works. Okay. So, and I wasn’t a sniper, so I was never, I never got to have a sniper rifle. Okay.

 

1:37:21  

There’s a few there’s gonna be maybe three or four guys qualified as snipers in a platoon. They go to a three month sniper school. And they’re the only ones with sniper rifles. Three weights are

 

1:37:32  

the all of them so they’ll have all of three of 308 50 cow they’ll even be a 556 version as well. So they are different different in a lot of it. You know, the 300 Win Mag everybody’s favorite probably just words most diverse because the 50 cows for just it’s huge. Yeah. It’s useful for it depends it depends on the situation

 

1:37:57  

during the WiMAX probably pretty great for for that. Yeah. Yeah.

 

1:38:03  

Home Home protection home defense.

 

1:38:07  

bow and arrow.

 

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I mean, I have

 

1:38:13  

well, so for me a pistol it depends on your home yeah, this gets into like the gun debate a little bit and this is what’s important for you again, like if it’s

 

1:38:25  

for the audience, you can choose to advocate for your second amendment rights by by strapping on your AR and going to Starbucks and exercising your right or you can make an argument and the argument would be look

 

1:38:38  

an AR truly is a self defense weapon and here’s how I know you know bring bring your bring your wife to the range and

 

1:38:49  

and have them have a shoot the pistol versus an AR and see what’s one she’s more accurate with and feels more empowered with. The error might be scary at first is louder, but also basically has no kick it’s very easy to be accurate with it for any kind of shooter and

 

1:39:07  

that that makes it a much better self defense weapon, you know, a pistol you you will screw it up. I promise you that uh now again, it’s fine for me I’m pretty good with it. And I know I can hit it but but even in a tense situation in the dark you know 3040 feet away which was we’re in a place that’s easily that far you’re not going to hit anything. Yeah, and that’s not a good place to be so that’s why an AR actually makes quite a bit of sense for for self defense, but it you know, if you’re living on a ranch, definitely have an AR and you know, people are like, well, shotgun that’s what Joe Biden thinks right over just needs a shotgun. And that’s fine. It’s a fine home self defense weapon to Yeah, yeah, deny that. But matters if you have kids in the other room, too. Yeah, yeah. It’s like Yeah, do you really want the spray. You have to kind of tactically

 

1:40:00  

Assess your surroundings and see what the best self defense situation is. Yeah, for that, I’ll never forget we you had an event out at the range one time yet some still buddies in from California. And so we went out there and they taught us some some kind of gun handling tactics, things like that. But I think there was a reporter there are a female reporter there and they got her on the on the sniper ran I think was a 300 yard range. If memory serves on a on a 308

 

1:40:27  

to three shots in the head or stat or side and she was she was hitting Bullseye from 300 yards like there was nothing. I was impressed by the by their level of care and skill and training, just kind of that that quit. The hard part about being a sniper is knowing how to cite in a rifle perfectly that that’s actually that’s most of the training. There’s obviously a great deal of skill and your breathing and how you do that trigger poll. But that can be taught much quicker, like once a rifle sighted in, I get hit things at 800 900 yards, just one after another. But that doesn’t make me a sniper. Okay, there’s just there’s a lot more skill sets to it than people then people realize. Yeah, yeah. Well, I want to thank you for coming into and I have a gift for you. All right. If you want to, if you want to open that and under $25 or whatever. It is definitely under 25. Yes, yes.

 

1:41:19  

Thank you very much, so I’ll let you do you know, do you know what that who’s on that shirt? Oh, please. Just it’s funny. So for Jeb, that’s Jeff. Nice guy is good. Can you can you tell the people why I got you a job shirt?

 

1:41:36  

I don’t know. Okay, you you admit to 25 debates, 25 forums, whatever it was. you accidentally told people Oh, that I you one time you did? And I think we teased you for as you film it.

 

1:41:50  

Great. I’ve got

 

1:41:52  

to find it. I’m sure some film some some time here a good time. Yeah. Remember when I told everybody you were a cat owner? You’re

 

1:42:00  

my wife bought a cat two months ago? Yeah.

 

1:42:04  

self fulfilling prophecy. That’s right. That’s right. Well, Dan, thanks. Thanks so much for coming in. And thanks for your friendship and your support for our country. You mean your your American hero and we appreciate everything you’ve done. I appreciate your brother. Thanks, lock you alright.

 

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